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Jan 01, 2017, 05:29 AM

  • #3886

icarus the 2nd

icarus the 2nd

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just some holes in the cover where the vertical fins can pass through

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Jan 01, 2017, 07:33 AM

  • #3887

flightengr

flightengr

Better SAFE than sorry!

Quote:

Originally Posted by locoworks

when I hear that a model has SAFE, I expect to be able to hit a momentary switch and for the aircraft to make its own way back into level flight.

Not necessarily (SAFE Select models do not have the "panic button" feature, for example), but as mentioned above, if a receiver with self-level doesn't have that function then you can replicate it on your transmitter by forcing the aircraft into a stability mode at least momentarily.

Jan 01, 2017, 09:58 AM

  • #3888

menksters

menksters

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by rikybob

Welcome Donnie! If you bind and fly it apparently there are many different considerations as to whether Spekrum brand radios will work or not. If you do Plug and Play you can use anything you want!

Further when binding or turning on a Spektrum radio you have to stand some distance away and put your tongue in the corner of your mouth.

The Spectrum Fanboys will elaborate more!

Thanks and me be so lucky I can be whatever Fanboi I want as I have S, F, and T. As I bought the BNF version will join the Spectrum fanboi club with this model. Of late I have been flying a DJI Phantom 4Pro a lot but also have many flying wings in my hanger so this will add an interesting twist.. Only reason I was able to find one at a LHS was because it was shipped DOA as it has a defective ESC. Waiting for them to get a replacement from HH then will pick her up. Be well, donnie

Jan 01, 2017, 02:02 PM

  • #3889

marktainium

marktainium

Registered User

So before I read anything online about setting up the servos on the convergence, I just went through the supplied manual and did as it said. I test hovered it and found it required almost full "up elevator" to stop it from drifting forward. I measured the linkages and saw one side was shorter than the other and that in order to get the nacelles even and vertical I needed to move one servo arm one spline forward. I retested and found it was much better but still required trim. I trimmed until it hovered nicely, then shut it down, and adjusted the linkage to get my zero trim zero drift hover.
THIS WAS CLEARLY THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT. I'm not sure what I was thinking about when I did this, maybe it's the winter time been off the field for a while fog, but regardless, of course changing the geometry at this end changes the geometry at the other end. (Forward flight settings).
I took it to the field and ran 4 batteries through it. I only switched it into forward flight twice, realizing what the problem was on the second flight. I also realized that this thing needs healthy new batteries. One of my batteries which runs other aircraft with no issues wouldn't even let this transition into forward flight.
My question to all of you, and before you tell me to do a search, I did, is what is the factory angle for the props in forward flight and in hover mode? I'm looking for a non messed with out of the box powered up and bound zero trim setup number so I can start over. From what I've read here the way to adjust the drift is with servo travel adjustments? Opinions?

Jan 01, 2017, 02:15 PM

  • #3890

erkq

erkq

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by marktainium

...
I measured the linkages and saw one side was shorter than the other and that in order to get the nacelles even and vertical I needed to move one servo arm one spline forward.
...

Why are people expecting symmetry in a tri-copter? By definition it will be asymmetrical.

Jan 01, 2017, 02:18 PM

  • #3891

icarus the 2nd

icarus the 2nd

www.youtube.com/icarusthe2nd

Quote:

Originally Posted by marktainium

So before I read anything online about setting up the servos on the convergence, I just went through the supplied manual and did as it said. I test hovered it and found it required almost full "up elevator" to stop it from drifting forward. I measured the linkages and saw one side was shorter than the other and that in order to get the nacelles even and vertical I needed to move one servo arm one spline forward. I retested and found it was much better but still required trim. I trimmed until it hovered nicely, then shut it down, and adjusted the linkage to get my zero trim zero drift hover.
THIS WAS CLEARLY THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT. I'm not sure what I was thinking about when I did this, maybe it's the winter time been off the field for a while fog, but regardless, of course changing the geometry at this end changes the geometry at the other end. (Forward flight settings).
I took it to the field and ran 4 batteries through it. I only switched it into forward flight twice, realizing what the problem was on the second flight. I also realized that this thing needs healthy new batteries. One of my batteries which runs other aircraft with no issues wouldn't even let this transition into forward flight.
My question to all of you, and before you tell me to do a search, I did, is what is the factory angle for the props in forward flight and in hover mode? I'm looking for a non messed with out of the box powered up and bound zero trim setup number so I can start over. From what I've read here the way to adjust the drift is with servo travel adjustments? Opinions?

measure the distance from motor mount arm to servo arm (hole to hole) and that should be 50mm

lenght of the linkages should be same, also 50mm

Jan 01, 2017, 02:43 PM

  • #3892

Yurinid.Yat

Yurinid.Yat

Suspended Account

Quote:

Originally Posted by marktainium

My question to all of you, and before you tell me to do a search, I did, is what is the factory angle for the props in forward flight and in hover mode? I'm looking for a non messed with out of the box powered up and bound zero trim setup number so I can start over. From what I've read here the way to adjust the drift is with servo travel adjustments? Opinions?

It's been posted here by a couple of owners. They messed with the nacelle tilt to try and get them even. BAD IDEA! Then they couldn't remember how to get them back the way it was. Just get them back as best you can. They don't have to be exact or even. The FC controller for MC mode will take care of it anyway. Final adjustment should be done AFTER a flight in AP mode and acro. Land, put into AP/acro on the bench with no throttle and see where the nacelles are for the plane to fly straight and level. Take out trim and adjust to get that geometry back.
The forward creep (or drift) was built into this craft in MC mode for a reason. Leave it alone. If you want more reverse capability, do it thru the servo travel for UP elevator. It should also be known that reversing in MC/stability mode results in a slight lag (2-3 seconds). Pull back on the stick and wait. It's not going to happen immediately. That too, was built in there for a reason. If you wish to eliminate ALL drift, some other aspects of the flight envelope will be buggered. It's not meant to hover in one place "hands off". If that's what you want, you need to install a GPS linked position hold system.

Jan 01, 2017, 02:58 PM

  • #3893

marktainium

marktainium

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by erkq

Why are people expecting symmetry in a tri-copter? By definition it will be asymmetrical.

The reason I did it was simply due to ignorance. In my defence, the manual does not have any information in it regarding factory setup. In hindsight I totally understand the reason for the difference hence my quest to get it back to stock settings.

Jan 01, 2017, 03:14 PM

  • #3894

RickSt

RickSt

Registered User

Not knocking you Mark because I've seen a lot of others do it before you but why does everybody feel a need to adjust this thing before they even fly it ? Other than making sure everything was tight, I haven't done a thing to mine and it flies great . Yes, I have the forward creep in hover but so what . I know it's going to do it so I expect it. The same goes for the oscillation during transition . This is basically a one and only of it's kind so not all the rules of multirotors or all the rules of fixed wing planes apply and certainly not at the same time .

Sent from my RCT6513W87 using Tapatalk

Jan 01, 2017, 03:25 PM

  • #3895

marktainium

marktainium

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickSt

Not knocking you Mark because I've seen a lot of others do it before you but why does everybody feel a need to adjust this thing before they even fly it ? Other than making sure everything was tight, I haven't done a thing to mine and it flies great . Yes, I have the forward creep in hover but so what . I know it's going to do it so I expect it. The same goes for the oscillation during transition . This is basically a one and only of it's kind so not all the rules of multirotors or all the rules of fixed wing planes apply and certainly not at the same time .

Sent from my RCT6513W87 using Tapatalk

Yup, I agree.... so what angles are your props at? 😁

Jan 01, 2017, 03:31 PM

  • #3896

JPJI

JPJI

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by erkq

Why are people expecting symmetry in a tri-copter? By definition it will be asymmetrical.

I'm no multirotor expert, so I'm gonna ask: Why do you say a tri-copter is 'by definition' asymmetrical?
The convergence is symmetrical about its centerline. Surely any tri-copter will have at lest one line of symmetry?
3-sided shapes can be either symmetric or asymmetric depending on the shape?

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Jan 01, 2017, 03:42 PM

  • #3897

erkq

erkq

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPJI

I'm no multirotor expert, so I'm gonna ask: Why do you say a tri-copter is 'by definition' asymmetrical?
The convergence is symmetrical about its centerline. Surely any tri-copter will have at lest one line of symmetry?
3-sided shapes can be either symmetric or asymmetric depending on the shape?

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The torque put out by the motors is asymmetrical as there are an odd number of them.

Jan 01, 2017, 03:45 PM

  • #3898

stevea3342

stevea3342

Registered User

Deleted. Someone else explained it better.

Last edited by stevea3342; Jan 01, 2017 at 04:07 PM.

Jan 01, 2017, 04:05 PM

  • #3899

JPJI

JPJI

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by erkq

The torque put out by the motors is asymmetrical as there are an odd number of them.

Front to back yes, but not side to side, therefore is it not still symmetrical about the centerline?

Jan 01, 2017, 04:09 PM

  • #3900

erkq

erkq

Registered User

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPJI

Front to back yes, but not side to side, therefore is it not still symmetrical about the centerline?

It's the rotational torque that needs to be counteracted somehow. It has nothing to do with center lines.

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